The Hard Stuff: Dope, Crime, the MC5, and My Life of Impossibilities

The Hard Stuff: Dope, Crime, the MC5, and My Life of Impossibilities

The first memoir by Wayne Kramer, legendary guitarist and cofounder of quintessential Detroit proto-punk legends The MC5 In January 1969, before the world heard a note of their music, The MC5 was on the cover of Rolling Stone. The missing link between free jazz and punk rock, they were raw, primal, and, when things were clicking, absolutely unstoppable. Led by legendary gui The first memoir by Wayne Kramer, legendary guitarist and cofounder of quintessential Detroit proto-punk legends ...

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Title:The Hard Stuff: Dope, Crime, the MC5, and My Life of Impossibilities
Author:Wayne Kramer
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Genres:Music
ISBN:0306921545
Edition Language:English
Format Type:Hardcover
Number of Pages:320 pages pages

The Hard Stuff: Dope, Crime, the MC5, and My Life of Impossibilities Reviews

  • Matt
    Aug 22, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

  • Casey
    Oct 13, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

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    A warts and all autobiography that is obviously a must read for any fan of the MC5 or Mr. Kramer?s other musical vehicles, but my 4 stars could be a little higher than this book deserves but, but ?let me be who I am, and let me kick out the jams? ...

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  • Nate
    Sep 19, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

    Wow! ...

    . ...

    A warts and all autobiography that is obviously a must read for any fan of the MC5 or Mr. Kramer?s other musical vehicles, but my 4 stars could be a little higher than this book deserves but, but ?let me be who I am, and let me kick out the jams? ...

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  • Jeff
    Oct 11, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

    Wow! ...

    . ...

    A warts and all autobiography that is obviously a must read for any fan of the MC5 or Mr. Kramer?s other musical vehicles, but my 4 stars could be a little higher than this book deserves but, but ?let me be who I am, and let me kick out the jams? ...

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  • Jason Heath
    Aug 01, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

    Wow! ...

    . ...

    A warts and all autobiography that is obviously a must read for any fan of the MC5 or Mr. Kramer?s other musical vehicles, but my 4 stars could be a little higher than this book deserves but, but ?let me be who I am, and let me kick out the jams? ...

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  • Zak
    Oct 07, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

    Wow! ...

    . ...

    A warts and all autobiography that is obviously a must read for any fan of the MC5 or Mr. Kramer?s other musical vehicles, but my 4 stars could be a little higher than this book deserves but, but ?let me be who I am, and let me kick out the jams? ...

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  • Sean Kottke
    Aug 05, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

  • Phil Overeem
    Oct 12, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

  • Paul
    Sep 03, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

    Wow! ...

    . ...

    A warts and all autobiography that is obviously a must read for any fan of the MC5 or Mr. Kramer?s other musical vehicles, but my 4 stars could be a little higher than this book deserves but, but ?let me be who I am, and let me kick out the jams? ...

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  • Phil
    Aug 16, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

  • Kate Mazzara
    Jul 14, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

    Wow! ...

    . ...

    A warts and all autobiography that is obviously a must read for any fan of the MC5 or Mr. Kramer?s other musical vehicles, but my 4 stars could be a little higher than this book deserves but, but ?let me be who I am, and let me kick out the jams? ...

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  • Neil Sarver
    Aug 29, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

    Wow! ...

    . ...

    A warts and all autobiography that is obviously a must read for any fan of the MC5 or Mr. Kramer?s other musical vehicles, but my 4 stars could be a little higher than this book deserves but, but ?let me be who I am, and let me kick out the jams? ...

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  • Shane
    Oct 17, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

    Wow! ...

    . ...

    A warts and all autobiography that is obviously a must read for any fan of the MC5 or Mr. Kramer?s other musical vehicles, but my 4 stars could be a little higher than this book deserves but, but ?let me be who I am, and let me kick out the jams? ...

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  • Cynthia Harrison
    Aug 30, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

    Wow! ...

    . ...

    A warts and all autobiography that is obviously a must read for any fan of the MC5 or Mr. Kramer?s other musical vehicles, but my 4 stars could be a little higher than this book deserves but, but ?let me be who I am, and let me kick out the jams? ...

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  • Andrea
    Sep 30, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

    Wow! ...

    . ...

    A warts and all autobiography that is obviously a must read for any fan of the MC5 or Mr. Kramer?s other musical vehicles, but my 4 stars could be a little higher than this book deserves but, but ?let me be who I am, and let me kick out the jams? ...

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  • Eric
    Oct 01, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

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  • Jason
    Aug 19, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

  • Nestor Rychtyckyj
    Sep 12, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

  • Hollis Krupa
    Jul 31, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

    Wow! ...

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    A warts and all autobiography that is obviously a must read for any fan of the MC5 or Mr. Kramer?s other musical vehicles, but my 4 stars could be a little higher than this book deserves but, but ?let me be who I am, and let me kick out the jams? ...

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  • Per O
    Sep 16, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

    Wow! ...

    . ...

    A warts and all autobiography that is obviously a must read for any fan of the MC5 or Mr. Kramer?s other musical vehicles, but my 4 stars could be a little higher than this book deserves but, but ?let me be who I am, and let me kick out the jams? ...

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  • Laura Skrzypkowiak
    Aug 30, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

    Wow! ...

    . ...

    A warts and all autobiography that is obviously a must read for any fan of the MC5 or Mr. Kramer?s other musical vehicles, but my 4 stars could be a little higher than this book deserves but, but ?let me be who I am, and let me kick out the jams? ...

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  • John Spiller
    Oct 12, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

  • Karla Glover
    Jul 31, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

    Wow! ...

    . ...

    A warts and all autobiography that is obviously a must read for any fan of the MC5 or Mr. Kramer?s other musical vehicles, but my 4 stars could be a little higher than this book deserves but, but ?let me be who I am, and let me kick out the jams? ...

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  • Carlton Duff
    Sep 08, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

    Wow! ...

    . ...

    A warts and all autobiography that is obviously a must read for any fan of the MC5 or Mr. Kramer?s other musical vehicles, but my 4 stars could be a little higher than this book deserves but, but ?let me be who I am, and let me kick out the jams? ...

  • Pat Douglas
    Sep 03, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

    Wow! ...

    . ...

    A warts and all autobiography that is obviously a must read for any fan of the MC5 or Mr. Kramer?s other musical vehicles, but my 4 stars could be a little higher than this book deserves but, but ?let me be who I am, and let me kick out the jams? ...

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  • Dawn Patterson
    Jul 31, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

    Wow! ...

    . ...

    A warts and all autobiography that is obviously a must read for any fan of the MC5 or Mr. Kramer?s other musical vehicles, but my 4 stars could be a little higher than this book deserves but, but ?let me be who I am, and let me kick out the jams? ...

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  • Josh Deitcher
    Sep 25, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

    Wow! ...

    . ...

    A warts and all autobiography that is obviously a must read for any fan of the MC5 or Mr. Kramer?s other musical vehicles, but my 4 stars could be a little higher than this book deserves but, but ?let me be who I am, and let me kick out the jams? ...

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  • C.J.Stubbings
    Aug 30, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

    Wow! ...

    . ...

    A warts and all autobiography that is obviously a must read for any fan of the MC5 or Mr. Kramer?s other musical vehicles, but my 4 stars could be a little higher than this book deserves but, but ?let me be who I am, and let me kick out the jams? ...

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  • Wendy Pakrul
    Aug 23, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...

    This is a fast-moving, informative recollection of a restless life through crazy times. Particularly powerful is Kramer?s memories of incarceration before our government completely went racist-rogue. Also, Kramer painfully tracks his personal evolution through addiction, incarceratio...

    You can read my review of the book here: Recollections and Recovery of a Revolutionary Rockstar ...

    Wow! ...

  • Alex
    Sep 04, 2018

    Wayne Kramer remains a divisive figure in his hometown of Detroit. For all of the accolades he rightly deserves for helping create the MC5 and his long distinguished career in music after the MC5, there are many who dismiss him for various things he has done over the years. Why did he ...

    I think it is too perfect for words that Wayne Kramers's memoir has come out just in time for the fiftieth anniversary of the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I wrote my master's thesis on cinematic representations of the events of August 1968, specifically the unrest that broke ou...

    Wayne relates his life with the same intensity that characterizes the MC5's music: vivid, painful, melodic and exhilarating. ...

    Disappointing. Kramer's lived an interesting life, been in a cool band, had some hard knocks, but he doesn't go into any of it in depth or says all that much about it to make it sound different than your usual rock n roll story of excess, rock bottom, and redemption through rehabili...

    If you are more than a casual fan of the MC5, then Wayne Kramer?s autobiography, ?The Hard Stuff?, will be a worthwhile read. As a practical matter, he is one of the few people who can tell the full story of the MC5 from beginning to end. (I hold out hope that erstwhile manager J...

    I wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't. The beginning was okay, when artists go into their childhood, there are parts that can be interesting, but for the most part a lot of it is lack luster. I know they're trying to set the stage for what happens in their adulthood, but that...